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Pekker_Head
February 6th, 2007, 07:14 PM
Who think this is how to get a heavy metal sound
Bass- 10
Mids- 0
Treble- 10
Gain- 10
It doesn't work that way. I just got out of the habit of doing that and let me tell you adding some mids actually makes it sound a bit more clearer and only losing some of the "heaviness".
In this Clip I am using a Mesa/Boogie Triple Rectifier
http://s70.photobucket.com/albums/i82/codyt07/?action=view&current=fam034.flv


You might think I have it set as above ^^
No I don't, While my guitar is tuned a step down. I actually have the mids at 4 and low mids around 2 and my gain around 1 to 3 o clock. (Not fully ten read why down some)

Bass on 10 adds some low mids so Don't always "Krank" the bass to 10 as it might sound better on 8, due to low mids not being added.

The reason I don't have gain "Kranked" is to expand tube life. Gain on 10 will kill your tubes and cause 'micophonic feedback'. Which I haven't experienced yet so I can't describe the sound.

I been seeing this 'set up' on a lot of forums and sites that tell you this is how to get the 'metal' sound. Well tell them "Pekker_Head" said your wrong.

Don't let yourself fall into this myth. Experiment. A bunch of metal people say turn down the gain and add some mids for clarity.

So don't fall for it. I did for a while till I experiemented and even got a better tone.

sheepster
February 7th, 2007, 12:39 AM
I'd never put the gain all the way up to 10. I can barely hear the tune if I do. That may just be my amp though. Then again, I'm not the hugest fan of the heavy metal sound. I can't bring myself to play without any midtones in there...

Jstickley
February 7th, 2007, 12:52 AM
The link doesnt work btw.

I agree 110%. I would never tweak my amps like that. Although I do tend to tweak the processor simalar. Why? It gives me the sustain i need (which pekker, you will see tommorrow) and i personally like the sound of it. I dont really completly kill the mid, but you can tell alot of it is missing. I still have the sound of that, but without it sounding like your playing through a tube, which is what that setting will give you ;)

Any of you guys have any gt series processors, ill be happy to post my settings, but if you dont, its kinda pointless too lol

Jesse

disobedience
February 13th, 2007, 06:12 PM
I have to agree about the scooping of mids. It will sound great when you practice on your own but once you get jamming with a band your guitar will disappear in the mix.

The guitar is basically a midrange instrument so if you scoop out all the mids you're sound get's lost.

I personally use an almost flat EQ, with gain at about 8 on my Kustom amp. I turn up the Bass to about 6-7 and the Treble to about the same. After that it's all in the hands ;)

subcaptain
February 20th, 2007, 05:05 PM
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Ring0
February 23rd, 2007, 12:42 AM
Worked for me.

And amen at that, tone balance doesn't work by boosting one knob all the way up (it'll probably hurt someone's ears or make things rumble if you have bass at 10 anyway :))

The trick in getting a good metal tone is to have enough warmth (mids!) to get a good tone for rhythm work while being able to cut through for leads (a bit of highs/using another pickup, etc.). If you're just starting to figure this stuff out pick a song you like with a good tone that you want to base yours on, start by getting the bass, middle and treble levels to match the songs. Tone is a very personal thing so find a balance you like (or several ;)).

I just got into the habit of forgetting about EQs completely and rely on my guitar's natural tone.

timmy_laf
February 23rd, 2007, 03:57 AM
What I tend to do now (yes, I admit, I was at first was one of those people) is look at some magazines with guitar settings on them to get the sound of the heavier bands, thats how I discovered that Bass, Gain Treble - 10 and Mid - 0 doesnt sound the best.

bcrich
March 4th, 2007, 12:10 AM
I tend to experiment all the time with the mids and bass/treble. I usually have my mids set for around 3-5 depending oon the sound I am after and since I don't have and can't get the channel selector pedal for my amp, I have to switch between channels manually and for this I set my pedals for the clean sound. I find turning the mids past 5 gives it to much of a treble/cloudy sound. Bass is about 6-8 treble about 7. Since I don't use the gain on my amp I use it straight from the pedal I experiment with the mids and usually scoop them on the pedal and set the eq for a warmer tone. The distortion is at about 8-9 on the pedal and the level at about 5. This gives me a good clear metal sound. It depends really on what equipment your using. We could all say ya lets all set our amps and pedals to this one exact setting cause it sounds cool to me but to you it may sound like S**T! lol

Disposable_Timmy
March 4th, 2007, 05:19 AM
I've tried the "V" Shape EQ (10-0-10 I mean :P ) and well, the only thing I got is a pretty crappy sound (to me of course, others may love it).
After that, I've never set this shape again, I can't stand listening guitar players who use it.